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Renfield ~ thanks for the site some good stuff and beautiful drawings and I got to add more to my newly extinct file.
not much has changed in Austrians exosphere in 10,000 years but humans coming there, do you think they may be the reason for these animals becoming extinct. they may had the misfortune of being the easiest to catch and eat
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not much has changed in Austrians exosphere in 10,000 years but humans coming there, do you think they may be the reason for these animals becoming extinct. they may had the misfortune of being the easiest to catch and eat
I used to think I knew the answer, but the more I read about the Plesistocene-Holocene boundary extinction, the less I feel I know about it.
Renfield ~ thanks for the site some good stuff and beautiful drawings and I got to add more to my newly extinct file.
not much has changed in Austrians exosphere in 10,000 years but humans coming there, do you think they may be the reason for these animals becoming extinct. they may had the misfortune of being the easiest to catch and eat
UM Australia was a lush green forest at one stage. Only if you discount the Uru and previous other giant forms and truly gargantuan beings who evolved here long before the Aborigines/kooris.
The book "Future eaters" wrongly claimed the extinction and the lack of vegetation directly on the Aborigines/Kooris. I doubt this..the evolution of Australia is far older than that. Even at 10,000 yrsd BP the Kow swamp people were still living a primitive existence compared to the Smaller aboriginal.Koori.
It was a gradual decline.the Giant Lizard Megalania Prisca is supposed extinct but yet, people still claim to see these huge goannas.some over 20 feet. I have spoken to eyewitnesses of these giants..
The Marsupial lion another creature that had no predators but man, yet they too are seen from time to time.
All these extinct animals that ever have evolved or are still around, either way the destruction of the land did play a major role but not from the late comers-the Aboriginals/Kooris but from a long gradual evolution of hominoids and hominids..hominins
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Jimi Hendrix Sep 17th 1970
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:37 am Post subject:
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The book "Future eaters" wrongly claimed the extinction and the lack of vegetation directly on the Aborigines/Kooris.
Only in the view of those who continue to see a need to "protect" the neolithics, by continually throwing unimaginable amounts of taxpayers money at them, which has made not one whit of differance in 100 years.
Same old, same old. Still not making it without outbreeding, even then the result leaves a bit to be desired.
The evidence presented was incontrovertible, validated, and well researched; the bleeding hearts are in denial, that's why the negative statements about this book.
Read Miller and the new research being done.
"Gifford Miller believes fires set by humans long ago may have irrevocably changed floral habitats in Australia, with species-threatening effects on wildlife."
Because the evidence supports it.
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As I said that's because they are omitting Australia's pre-aboriginal history.
Others don't agree though with the decline being so rapidly. Steve Wroe does not go with the "future eater" scenario. Many don't...burning causes re-growth not total destruction. As they were nomadic, the places they burnt had ample time to regenerate.
To say that the Aborigines/Kooris are the SOLE destroyers of the land is laughable!!!
Climatic events shape our planet today as it always has. If we just had a 7 year drought here in Australia (and look how bad that has been-devastated the Murray-Darling River System, Queensland / New South Wales / South Australia, 3370 miles. Longest River)that is still ongoing, what of a 10-50-100-1000 year drought, (in succession)that would determine what was growing and what would not re-generate.
The Mega-Fauna could not possibly have been wiped out so fast, in the time frame of the future eaters and also the time frame it implies.unless they consider and add the pre Aboriginal/Koori time line. Until they add this they cannot state that one race did it..its impossible, the kooris were not that many to have devastated the Entire Country in the places it is claimed..
I mean your talking about 25,000 Km's of coastline at least...Millions and millions of acres that many Kooris did not even reach. In the Great Sandy desert, that was once lush, but not at the time of the Aborigines/Kooris arrival here at all..
Vast inland oceans dried up by the climatic changes..Up north from sydney huge extinct river systems-now completely dried existed and the Aborigines/Kooris had nothing to do with that..
They blame them because they believe they are the only humans to be here.
That is false and the evidence really shows a very long prolonged use by giants, giant homo erectus, yowies, the smaller beings, and other pygmy's etc...its accumulated event over probably millions of years that climaxed at the time of aprox 35,000 bp-22,000bp..
Id say from what I have researched that the Aborigines/Kooris themselves were astonished at the rapid decline of the fauna and forests/grasslands etc...They respect the land.Id be positive that if these changes were happening as they came here they might have noticed it. As they looked for known food sources there were none..
Which is why one of the oldest sites is right by the river that leads to the sea..as the inland seas and rivers dried up-no fault of them...they stayed closer to the coast and the rivers that led to the ocean and large inlets..
The populations in any area would not be sufficient to do the sustained damage that happened-We now know that catastrophic events did shape Australia. We did have volcanoes too...we still have the only active on off the coast a few hundred kilometers.
No the Aborigines/Kooris were probably very worried that the land was drying up in front o f them. Fire stick farming of animals or for protection did not destroy the vast amount of areas in Australia previously claimed, thats FACT!!
Today modern humans are experiencing climatic global dimming/warming/change..whatever you want to tag it with and we are seeing first hand how in less than just 5 years the entire world is seeing an increase in harmful weather.
In Australia we have seen it here all our lives..We've all lived through summers of un-bearable heat here when at 3am its still in the high 30s Celsius, and days and days sometimes weeks at a time with not a bit of rain in sight.
Back in 1992 I was playing grade cricket here in Sydney and this one year we had two Saturdays in a row that was over 43 degrees celcius.
Later the next week I taped a show where congress (in the US) was debating whether to tell Australians about the hole over Antarctica-which at the time was a million square kilometers and directly over the east coast of Australia.
I remember vividly how before this time that I would not wear a hat to play cricket at all and you would burn in about 23 min. Not this time, it took less than an over of bowling-less than 12-10 minutes for me to start burning and for the first season ever in my life I wore a hat and sunscreen.
So weather does change in an instant and don't forget the drought from 1983-87 which was devastating and n o fault of any farmer etc...
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Jimi Hendrix Sep 17th 1970
The book "Future eaters" wrongly claimed the extinction and the lack of vegetation directly on the Aborigines/Kooris.
Only in the view of those who continue to see a need to "protect" the neolithics, by continually throwing unimaginable amounts of taxpayers money at them, which has made not one whit of differance in 100 years.
Same old, same old. Still not making it without outbreeding, even then the result leaves a bit to be desired.
The evidence presented was incontrovertible, validated, and well researched; the bleeding hearts are in denial, that's why the negative statements about this book.
Read Miller and the new research being done.
"Gifford Miller believes fires set by humans long ago may have irrevocably changed floral habitats in Australia, with species-threatening effects on wildlife."
Because the evidence supports it.
Again it was not accepted worldwide or Australian wide, don't say things which are not true..See he said "MIGHT HAVE" not DID!!!!IM no bleeding heart MATE, what is up with you anyway?????????????I respect people any people...you should try coming down from your high horse Me thinks..
I talk to these scientists now and then and they disagree. So what you should state is that there is a disagreement on what did cause this,but here is one view!.It is one book not the end all of all books..
Flannery is not the only one writing about this and other books claim the opposite. So please get your facts correct and stop being so nasty to the Aborigines/Kooris. They don't even know the exact date the Aborigines/Kooris came here so that's speculation isn't it..I mean how can a race of people wipe out anything if they don't know the exact date they arrived here...
I mean a paper last year from "THE' expert on Aboriginal/Carvings etc..stated that he found evidence in amber proving that there was a site was 150,000BP and he was lambasted.
Same wit the Hobbit evidence, microcephalic. Many scientists said the same-as did Flannery by the way, and he and all the other's were WRONG!!!No its a modern human...
Flannery came on tv and attacked the two Aussie scientists 9His own colleagues)as not seeing the skull for what it was..Thats Flannery your basing your arguments for his book future eaters...When you look deep the evidence swamps you..SO he is right on the future eaters but wrong on skeletal remains.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm By that Id say he is in-correct on both counts..
Yet if you go to Ayers Rock/ULURU along the road is a sign that states that the present place your standing at has been occupied by Aborigines/Kooris for 150,000 BP.. It's there in black and white, but they haven't been here for that long, or have they??Unless you know how can you write a book claiming their fault??
Treat them as you would want yourself to be treated..Stop being so nasty and flippant it does nothing for your credibility to answer with your anti-Aboriginal/Koori posts..Only those who think they are better than someone else would write in the manner you have..Were all humans Mate not us and them or you against them..All in the same boat on the same planet. Just have some respect, and manners...
I think you have attacked them in every single post Iv'e mentioned. Don't you have anything better to do??"Who are you anyway??Innocent of anything??
I just won't read any more of your posts unless you calm down.Your like a broken down record...Ive had enough of reading your hatred posts...
This throwing hundreds of millions, your money was it??NO its taxpayers that is used as any other tax money is, fore the good of the country, no for the good of you or me, the entire country-Aborigines/Kooris are part of this country so what not spend on them..We waste far more on social security...
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Jimi Hendrix Sep 17th 1970
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject:
Them stop making them out to be Gods gift to the Australian landscape, and crediting them with things they were then, and are now, completely incapable of.
"Keepers of the Land", what a joke!
Regeneration can only continue without constant destruction by fire; if you were savy enough (sorry, horse term), you would realise that even with climate change, the flora of this country adapted, and survived, until the advent of the neolithics, after which it all went down hill.
If you read Millers research (big if), you'll find that the decline of a large number of species of plant life, right up to extinction, correlates nicely with the alledged arrival times of the neolithics.
Not quite the smoking gun, but damned convincing circumstantial evidence.
You could go to gaol on this kind of evidence; so why is it so hard for a non bleeding heart to accept?
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:40 am Post subject:
OK; argument resolved.
The neolithics ate the mega fauna, so no more protectionist claptrap, nor the BS propoganda they wish for all of us to believe.
They destroyed the land with indiscrimate use of fire, and ate all the easy prey to the point of extinction.
____________ There are always, Options!
The aspirant for higher knowledge must develop the intellectual side of his nature and so strengthen his will that is able to concentrate all powers of his being on and in the plane he desires.
The neolithics ate the mega fauna, so no more protectionist claptrap, nor the BS propoganda they wish for all of us to believe.
They destroyed the land with indiscrimate use of fire, and ate all the easy prey to the point of extinction.
Your hatred for Aborigines/Kooris Maoris and any other race that isn't white is very narrow minded.
But, you are still ignoring previous beings such as Homo erectus-giant homo erectus, pygmy and who knows what evolved here before that and has since been destroyed by the weathering/erosion that is Australia.
Not to mention the URU!!!By the time the Aborigines/Kooris came to Australia they were mere late comers. The mega fauna and the land had already been changing looooooooooooong before they arrived.
Then what about the snowy regions, did they burn that out too??
Funny that at the thousands of occupation sites around Continental Australia that they have found less than two handfulls of giant Mega fauna creatures at these kill sites?
Even Dr Stev Wroe has claimed that he has only ever seen, possibly one Diprotodon that were shown to be killed by a spear or man-made object.
Where are the thousands more that lived? If as you say there diet was these immense creatures, why do we not find their evidence at these forgotten camp-sites??
As I said Dr Wroe disagrees with Tim Flannery and "Future Eaters". As does an African scientist and many others around the world.
Many scientists think that homo erectus was already here too, so it is not a new concept, just not being told that's all, in this Aboriginal gimme gimme tribe mentality, some activists have embraced.
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:13 am Post subject:
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Your hatred for Aborigines/Kooris Maoris and any other race that isn't white is very narrow minded.
That is only your perception; but a race that doesn't progress in 40,000 + years is peculiar to say the least, especially when globally, civilisations rose and fell, laws were written, cities built, and technological innovations abounded, with some yet to bew emulated by us, for accuracy.
can you postulate any reasons for this major deficit in the indigineous (not applicable as they also are imports) population?
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But, you are still ignoring previous beings such as Homo erectus-giant homo erectus, pygmy and who knows what evolved here before that and has since been destroyed by the weathering/erosion that is Australia.
Strange how we can discover fossil remains of dinosaurs, hundreds of millions of years old, yet not one of the above.
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Funny that at the thousands of occupation sites around Continental Australia that they have found less than two handfulls of giant Mega fauna creatures at these kill sites?
Nothing unusual in that at all; bodies or carcasses left exposed to the elements, especially after just being thrown on a fire, obviously don't have in any shape or form the conditions conducive to fossilisation.
Additional research is reccomended from government "body farms" where scientific testing is carried on corpses to determine rates of dissolution under differing enviromental conditions; you should find that very informative in regard to your statement.
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Even Dr Stev Wroe has claimed that he has only ever seen, possibly one Diprotodon that were shown to be killed by a spear or man-made object.
Having studied, and participated in their hunting techniques, I find it highly unlikely that a spear would have been used to kill an animal if its size.
